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Originally posted by mitchell
I'm not going to get into an argument about economics Jija

Originally posted by donnymayhem
It's nice that you are offended.

Originally posted by mitchell
I'm not going to get into an argument about economics Jija as that deviates from the purpose of this thread...

Originally posted by donnymayhem
It's nice that you are offended. Allow me to quote the very first two posts by Smiler in this thread:





As you can see, this is not constructive, and it degenerates from here by continuing to do nothing but tear others down and complain, complain, complain. In the end I had enough of the whining and stooped to speak to Smiler on their own level. You say this is 'a discussion' and that Smiler is 'putting in an opinion'. An opinion that is not backed up by constructive feedback is not an opinion worth listening to. How does it help anything? It helps nothing. All it does is stir up trouble and make people angry.

Now, you are offended by my post? That's nice. People are far too easily offended these days, but apparently telling people to 'harden up' is mean and offensive. Please observe the restraint I am displaying by avoiding expressing my true feelings on this in order to avoid allowing this discussion to degenerate further than it already has, thanks to the repetitive negative and unconstructive comments that have been presented by a few individuals who are unwilling to make an actual contribution to the betterment of this game. Which is - I say again - provided to people for free REGARDLESS of donations made by premium users, and maintained and developed FOR FREE by people who are doing it to try and make this little corner of the internet a better place.

Ron - Thank you for giving us the opportunity to contribute and discuss the proposed changes. I hope the tone lifts and I apologise for my negativity. I can't tolerate people who do nothing but whine and my response on here is precisely what my response would have been if this discussion was occurring in the real world.

Originally posted by RonManager
@smiler.

Here is some of the logic behind the inflation reduction statement.
(As many have posted.)

1 ) There are more players ( of a reasonable quality ) available.
The effect of that will be to reduce inflation, but not on its own.

2 ) The price of the PA players is set by the system, that will have the effect of capping the price of a player in the TM on the basis you wont buy from the TM if the price is too high because you can buy from the PA instead.

3) The money played for the player goes out of the game... not to another manager to spend. Less money in the game reduces inflation.

4) YA quality and control. Managers are better able to produce better quality youth. So again, more players of better quality drives down inflation.

5) A more transparent TM, able to see bidding, able to bid on the whole market will help managers get the player they want at a lower price. The sales tax, takes money out of the game. So again this speaks to supply and demand and to reducing the economy.

6) Other financial tuning, changes to player contracts/YA/TM.

So there are 6 factors which taken TOGETHER will we think help address the issue.

You have asked for the reasoning behind this, and hopefully you can see why we feel this s the way to go. So now its your turn. You have made a lot of comments in this thread, but none of them actually suggest a way forward, they pretty much say "this is not enough", or "it wont work". That's fine, but it doesn't help move the debate forward....

If you can clarify why it wont work, or suggest an alternative then please do.

Ron

Originally posted by Smiler
Ok it has been stated that supply will be increased by YA and the PA. A total of a possible 5 players a season but 3 of them are from very long term planning so not likely to be 3 at least in the short term. It could be 3 but only as a result of long term planning and at a hefty cost. The YA ideas are good though but very slow.

The PA players could really force the prices down in the short term by instead of being high being a more middle ranged price and one or two more. Perhaps reduced as the YA does kick in. It would stop the crazy prices that are happening at the moment short term which is what is needed now. This would increase the rate of buying and selling and the TM would tick over at a better pace and make it worthwhile looking for players on the TM. It would also stop clubs from getting silly money from the luck of the draw of the players they found overall in their club.

Originally posted by Firesilver
Like this, for example.

As mentioned in the finances proposal, the prices can be set by Ron. Effectively, we use the PA system to control inflation in the game. It will take money out when needed, and prevent people paying silly money in the TM.

So what, exactly, is the problem, Smiler?

Originally posted by Smiler
Lost today did you?

Nothing if you cannot read then fair enough.

Originally posted by Firesilver
Probably ought to stop the personal attacks, Smiler.

Originally posted by mitchell
I'm not going to get into an argument about economics Jija as that deviates from the purpose of this thread so I'll make this my only post on this.
There are several kinds of inflation. Demand-Pull inflation is ...

Originally posted by pahawkfan_2nd
Entirely too Keynesian for me.

"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output." Milton Friedman

Originally posted by Smiler
Ok it has been stated that supply will be increased by YA and the PA. A total of a possible 5 players a season but 3 of them are from very long term planning so not likely to be 3 at least in the short term. It could be 3 but only as a result of long term planning and at a hefty cost. The YA ideas are good though but very slow.

The PA players could really force the prices down in the short term by instead of being high being a more middle ranged price and one or two more. Perhaps reduced as the YA does kick in. It would stop the crazy prices that are happening at the moment short term which is what is needed now. This would increase the rate of buying and selling and the TM would tick over at a better pace and make it worthwhile looking for players on the TM. It would also stop clubs from getting silly money from the luck of the draw of the players they found overall in their club.

Originally posted by Jija
Whilst we're quoting, from Wikipedia...
"In economics, inflation is a sustained increase in the general price level of goods and services in an economy over a period of time. When the price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services. Consequently, inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money ? a loss of real value in the medium of exchange and unit of account within the economy."

So in reference to IAG, "goods" = "player pricing".

Originally posted by Okgillette
Perhaps this will help you as it helped me Smiler.



Just remember everything you have been saying has apparently been said before so don't waste your breath oh but please share your opinions...

Originally posted by Jija
And continuing from Wikipedia...
"...money supply growth does not necessarily cause inflation. Some economists maintain that under the conditions of a liquidity trap, large monetary injections are like "pushing on a string". Views on which factors determine low to moderate rates of inflation are more varied. Low or moderate inflation may be attributed to fluctuations in real demand for goods and services, or changes in available supplies such as during scarcities."

Originally posted by Smiler
Ok it has been stated that supply will be increased by YA and the PA. A total of a possible 5 players a season but 3 of them are from very long term planning so not likely to be 3 at least in the short term. It could be 3 but only as a result of long term planning and at a hefty cost. The YA ideas are good though but very slow.

The PA players could really force the prices down in the short term by instead of being high being a more middle ranged price and one or two more. Perhaps reduced as the YA does kick in. It would stop the crazy prices that are happening at the moment short term which is what is needed now. This would increase the rate of buying and selling and the TM would tick over at a better pace and make it worthwhile looking for players on the TM. It would also stop clubs from getting silly money from the luck of the draw of the players they found overall in their club.