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14th Jan 26 2:32 PM
roland68
Posts 613
Who would you keep / sell?
Here's a dilemma I've had quite a few times over the seasons:

Player 1:
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Rating : 93
Sum of attributes - higher
Physical/Mental/Technical (overall total) - higher
Match Preview - 90

Player 2:
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Rating : 91
Sum of attributes - lower
Physical/Mental/Technical (overall total) - lower
Match Preview - 91

Which would you keep, which would you sell ?
 
14th Jan 26 7:44 PM
Firesilver
Posts 1,378
Depends on your priority.

If you're looking to boost your average player rating, keep the 93-rated guy and sell the 91-rated one (or keep both, if they're both that good!) UNLESS it reduces your overall preview score to sell the 91-rated guy.

If your overall preview rating is higher with the 91-rated guy, keep him and sell the 93-rated guy UNLESS it reduces your APR to sell the 93-rated guy.

If selling either player has a negative impact on your APR or your highest possible preview, keep them both UNLESS you can't afford their wages. (It's also good to have strength in depth.)

If all 3 "unless" situations apply, choose whichever one you can best live with according to your current priorities (be that winning matches, club rating, or financial situation). If there's no good option, choose the least bad one for your club's current situation.
 
14th Jan 26 8:45 PM
chyperhondriac
Posts 347
I feel really sorry for you Roland, having to decide which 90+ player is surplus to requirements. Must be tough at the top

I doubt (but I might be wrong) that getting rid of one 93-rated player vs a 91-rated one will affect your APR.

I therefore assume (but I might be wrong) that more important to you is having the edge on matchday.

Ergo, if you really want to get rid of one then keep the 91-rated player.
 
14th Jan 26 10:41 PM
pleasantsurprise
Posts 1,504
I would sell:

a) the older of the 2

b) the player whose name is the most difficult to pronounce/you dislike the most
 
14th Jan 26 11:24 PM
ramster59
Posts 71
All i?m concluding is that perhaps it?s time to bring Rusty Butt back home to the Ducks.
 
15th Jan 26 2:12 PM
roland68
Posts 613
Quote:
Originally posted by Firesilver
Depends on your priority.

If you're looking to boost your average player rating, keep the 93-rated guy and sell the 91-rated one (or keep both, if they're both that good!) UNLESS it reduces your overall preview score to sell the 91-rated guy.

If your overall preview rating is higher with the 91-rated guy, keep him and sell the 93-rated guy UNLESS it reduces your APR to sell the 93-rated guy.

If selling either player has a negative impact on your APR or your highest possible preview, keep them both UNLESS you can't afford their wages. (It's also good to have strength in depth.)

If all 3 "unless" situations apply, choose whichever one you can best live with according to your current priorities (be that winning matches, club rating, or financial situation). If there's no good option, choose the least bad one for your club's current situation.


APR : Selling either is not going to have a noticeable impact on APR. However, if I did sell one I don't know which one would have more impact anyway as I don't know what factors go into calculating APR. Is it overall rating? Is it preview rating? Is it attributes ? Is it M/P/T ratings?

Preview rating : I have enough forwards to maintain my highest possible preview in most cases.

Not really sure which is the least bad option, and in my case it probably won't make any difference which one I sold. I just put this question out there, to see what factors other managers feel as more important.

Maybe I should have asked, which one do you want to buy?
 
15th Jan 26 2:28 PM
roland68
Posts 613
Quote:
Originally posted by chyperhondriac
I feel really sorry for you Roland, having to decide which 90+ player is surplus to requirements. Must be tough at the top




Quote:
Originally posted by chyperhondriac
I doubt (but I might be wrong) that getting rid of one 93-rated player vs a 91-rated one will affect your APR.

I therefore assume (but I might be wrong) that more important to you is having the edge on matchday.

Ergo, if you really want to get rid of one then keep the 91-rated player.


I doubt it too, any APR difference will probably be negligible.

So you think, higher preview is better than higher rating/atts/MPT values, interesting to know what other managers feel is best.
 
15th Jan 26 2:40 PM
roland68
Posts 613
Quote:
Originally posted by pleasantsurprise
I would sell:

a) the older of the 2

b) the player whose name is the most difficult to pronounce/you dislike the most


a) Yes good point, I should have mentioned they are the same age

b) I'll think about that one.
 
15th Jan 26 2:44 PM
roland68
Posts 613
Quote:
Originally posted by ramster59
All i?m concluding is that perhaps it?s time to bring Rusty Butt back home to the Ducks.


Rusty is still in important part of the first team and isn't going anywhere yet.
 
15th Jan 26 4:35 PM
chyperhondriac
Posts 347
Quote:
Originally posted by roland68
So you think, higher preview is better than higher rating/atts/MPT values, interesting to know what other managers feel is best.

The game lies to us a lot but in the absence of any other information I'd say the matchday preview is (among other things) reflective of how a player will perform in the game, and performing well in games is the ultimate aim.

Meanwhile, overall rating is (I believe) a very basic calculation.
 
15th Jan 26 5:09 PM
Firesilver
Posts 1,378
Quote:
Originally posted by roland68
Maybe I should have asked, which one do you want to buy?

APR is the key to me at the moment, being the easiest way to get a large lump of club rating at once, so I'd prefer the 93-rated one.

But that's what would benefit my club the most, not what your club needs. And I doubt I'd be able to afford a 20-year-old rated 90+ anyway
 
17th Jan 26 2:33 PM
roland68
Posts 613
Quote:
Originally posted by chyperhondriac
The game lies to us a lot but in the absence of any other information I'd say the matchday preview is (among other things) reflective of how a player will perform in the game, and performing well in games is the ultimate aim.

Meanwhile, overall rating is (I believe) a very basic calculation.


Same, but the thing about matchday preview is that there are two parts to it:

- There's the GK/DEF/MF/FWD ratings that give your overall preview
- There's also the M/P/T values.

With players such as the ones I've mentioned, Selecting certain players can increase my overall matchday preview rating but at the same time lower one or more of the MPT vales. Conversely, I can change a player or two in that role and increase one or more MPT ratings but at the same time it might lower the overall preview rating.

In my situation, it probably doesn't matter much as the changes are minimal, and when playing teams with the same, or very nearly the same preview, the result is probably more about some other factors (maybe formation, maybe tactics but probably random )

I just wonder what other managers prioritise..
 
17th Jan 26 3:00 PM
roland68
Posts 613
Quote:
Originally posted by Firesilver
APR is the key to me at the moment, being the easiest way to get a large lump of club rating at once, so I'd prefer the 93-rated one.

But that's what would benefit my club the most, not what your club needs. And I doubt I'd be able to afford a 20-year-old rated 90+ anyway


You're assuming that APR is based on player ratings. I don't disagree, but I don't know exactly how APR is calculated. I have tried to find out how it is calculated but never found a calculation that worked 100% consistently. Despite the name 'average player rating', it could use some other values, such as player preview, player fixed atts, player variable atts etc..

I don't think knowing exactly how it works would benefit me much, as I have a fairly good idea of when my APR might change, but I'm just interested to know what other managers think about it.
 
18th Jan 26 4:25 AM
Alimusei
Posts 4
MPT vales?
 
18th Jan 26 12:51 PM
chyperhondriac
Posts 347
Quote:
Originally posted by Alimusei
MPT vales?

Mental, Physical, Technical
 
18th Jan 26 12:53 PM
chyperhondriac
Posts 347
Quote:
Originally posted by roland68
Same, but the thing about matchday preview is that there are two parts to it:

- There's the GK/DEF/MF/FWD ratings that give your overall preview
- There's also the M/P/T values.

With players such as the ones I've mentioned, Selecting certain players can increase my overall matchday preview rating but at the same time lower one or more of the MPT vales. Conversely, I can change a player or two in that role and increase one or more MPT ratings but at the same time it might lower the overall preview rating.

In my situation, it probably doesn't matter much as the changes are minimal, and when playing teams with the same, or very nearly the same preview, the result is probably more about some other factors (maybe formation, maybe tactics but probably random )

I just wonder what other managers prioritise..

Ah yes, I didn't appreciate you were talking about the match day MPT summary. Again, I lump that in with overall rating and more or less discount it.
 
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