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Originally posted by Firesilver
Just want to add a few other things that I didn't have time to earlier today.

Chaz, the reason I went "back on the plan" to claim your Undertaker role with getting killed in mind, was the I am now almost 100% certain we have a Spy in the game and that they've whispered to the Demon at some point. The Demon isn't going to fall for my bluff play in that scenario. I'm genuinely sorry if you feel like I betrayed your confidence, but at that point the town is better served with all the information out in the open including our respective roles and what we know. All the discussions that have happened since then wouldn't have been possible without my role claim and me sharing your info. At some point in the game, the town has to drop all bluffs and be honest with each other so we have all the information available to all the players so they can all make informed decisions.

Second point. This is not a game where you can rely purely on information to root out the bad guy. There's always going to be a loophole or fear of being Drunk or poisoned. What it is, and always has been, is a social deduction game.

Ask yourself if I would really have made a triumphant (and very arrogant) "I've cracked the case" post if I was really evil. There have been so many opportunities for one of you guys to catch me in a lie because of the sheer volume of information I've shared with you all game. Have I lied to you even once?

Then take a look at what Euro has contributed to the town effort- next to nothing. The only investigating he's done all game is announce that either Seat 1 or Han were Drunk. It's very convenient for him to claim a role that only causes more confusion amongst the town. He's only whispered to 1 other person who has made the most haphazard Slayer claim I've seen in my entire life. Do you really think he's telling the truth?

My last and only minor concern now is that have been played from the start, that ricky was the Spy and you the Demon, and he's fed you what information he needed to all game to point the fingers of logical thinking at james and Euro. But at that point we go back to it being a social deduction game. Both of you have flailed about wildly all game and genuinely give me the impression you have no idea who the bad guy is and you're scrambling around to find him. For this reason, and this reason alone, I have not accused either of you of being evil it's theoretically possible given all the information the town has. If you are both evil and have led us all along the whole game, I will take off my Sherlock hat and bow to your extraordinary evil gameplay.

The only sensible execution tonight is Euro and I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that PS will agree with me.

Originally posted by ChazmanQ
If Seat1 death is not an Imp suicide..... why do we think he was killed?

Originally posted by Firesilver
Because a living Fortune Teller (if not Drunk) alive at the end of the game will always win it for the town.

Because he knew the Spy would show to you as Slayer, so you living wasn't a problem tonight. I suspect you'll be dead by the morning though if we don't hit the Demon tonight...

Because the alternative kills are roles that are spent or can investigate him if they die.

Because you surviving the night when you expected to die would cause you to question if you've been Droisoned all game, spreading more confusion.

Have I missed anything, PS?

Originally posted by ChazmanQ
Poisoner -

Each night, the storyteller send a player choice to the storyteller, that player will be poisoned until the poisoner dies or the next night's choice is made.


If another nights choice hasn't been made since Night 3 then I would remain poisoned. Great tactic to poison then Undertaker. Only 2 people knew at that point from memory. Ricky and FS

Originally posted by TopGun2
To clarify on this, the poisoner must choose each night. Any text that said may choose or can choose would mean they have a choice whether to choose or not, but the poisoner just says "each night, choose a player" so they have to choose. They can of course choose the same player as the previous night. Once the poisoner dies then the poisoning stops immediately.

Originally posted by pleasantsurprise
Absolutely spot on FS

Originally posted by pleasantsurprise
Don't think so

Originally posted by Rickymale88
From all this, the job role claim and thoughts and theories. It would be criminal to not put Euro on the block tonight. I do genuinely believe he is the last evil player and the game will end tonight.

I have always thought FS is good with the way he has gone about things. Tho I new I made a very stupid error on first day and with this if he was evil he could play a blinder. I do believe I got lucky and this can help win the game for good.
(If I do ever play this type of game again I won't make that mistake again).

If the game doesn't end tonight, which I would be surprised if it didn't the only other logical thing would be FS next night.

Originally posted by Firesilver
I have a question for the Storyteller.

AM I correct in thinking that the only way for chyper to have been executed when he nominated PS is that PS is the Virgin? I'm not missing some obscure rule that can instantly execute someone for another reason? I have read the rules post twice and I can't find one, but best to be sure...

Originally posted by Firesilver
I don't think I've ever seen you agreeing with me so much. It's making me nervous.

Originally posted by ChazmanQ
I've just tried to double check the same thing. Because PS has been accepted by all pretty early on as the Virgin. Which meant Cypher was pretty early on accepted as the Chef

But in the Spy bio it does say this.....

The spy can also misregister to other player abilities. For example, they can appear good to an Empath, and they function as a Townsfolk if they nominate the virgin.

I totally missed that until now

Originally posted by Firesilver
I have a question for the Storyteller.

AM I correct in thinking that the only way for chyper to have been executed when he nominated PS is that PS is the Virgin? I'm not missing some obscure rule that can instantly execute someone for another reason? I have read the rules post twice and I can't find one, but best to be sure...

Originally posted by ChazmanQ
Agree

If killing Euro doesn't end the game then it has to be FS

Originally posted by TopGun2
Yes, there is no mechanical way for Chyper to have instantly died on nomination other than PS being the virgin.

Originally posted by Firesilver
Oh no.

*scrambles back to the rules thread for the third reading today*

Originally posted by Firesilver
Oh no.

*scrambles back to the rules thread for the third reading today*

Originally posted by TopGun2
Would you like to hear from Seat1 now, or wait until tomorrow?