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Farce of a game...
...when you can become a top 15 club before reaching the prem just by deliberately relegating your team from the prem to the bottom tier and working your way back up. Makes you think what's the point!

I don't think that this is aimed at me, but it might well be one day. That one day is some way off.

I tried to make it in the top Division - I was an abject failure because I hadn't prepared properly - I didn't have the players to compete, and I didn't have the funds to buy more. My coaches weren't good enough to train my youths to anywhere near good enough.

What I have done is to sell all the assets of the squad and invest that into the stadium and spending my time searching for decent youth players.

But it's true - I'm absolutely looking to start at the bottom again, it's not without it's costs though - the ticket price drops and you really are starting over with your club rating - but it's the game - if it were illegal, I wouldn't do it.

In some ways this is replicated from real life.

To be able to compete with those teams who have 50 seasons of success, you have to do something different. Liverpool and Manchester United attract the best players because of their history. Chelsea and Manchester City had to throw money at the issue, far more money than they earned.

IAG doesn't allow me to throw 300m credits at a team from a wealthy investor, so I've done my, limited, analysis and know how I can improve club rating. And this appears to be the best way. It's a long game and requires a lot of patience. And it's boring.

But this does seem to be the best way to do it if you weren't here at the start.

If it becomes against the rules, then I'll stop. However, I don't believe it is club destruction if it's part of a long term plan.

It's not aimed at anyone personally, it's a flaw with the game that's been/being taken advantage of.

You say "...It's a long game and requires a lot of patience. And it's boring." That's where we differ, a lot of managers have played the long game, which is the whole point of it and it's not boring. Frustrating, yes, where you've spent seasons building up your club just to see serial club hoppers bouncing their way up to a top team through sheer luck and building up their rating that way, whereas others go for the relegation and promotion strategy. If you're the sort of person who buys a game and the first thing you do is look for the cheat codes online to give you everything upfront without putting in any effort, then yes, this is a way to succeed in this game, just a shame it's not been changed over the 69 seasons how IAG calculates team and manager ratings.

Just seen your team, you seem to be taking a lower ranked team and working with that. That's not what I was commenting on. I was commenting on taking a top 100 ranked team from the premiership and deliberately playing players put of position to get relegated season after season to hit the bottom tier and them gain massive ranking points by playing against manager less teams season after season to build up your rating
Seems that, in this game you get the same points for winning against a 900 rated team as you do for the number 1 rated team.

Don't disagree here...

Kinda wishy there were an FA Panel (GM Level) that could click a Yellow Card warning to Managers doing this.

A removal of Club, ie sacking, would then incur a rating hit on the Manager too - thus ensuring his next Club would be weighted by his 'hit rating' too.

Aye it no be easily promoting the game, but it would be the right challenge for the right man..

I think there is a little confusion with my "boring" statement.

I'm not talking about the game. I'm referring to the strategy of going to the bottom to build up - the process of dropping down four relegations is boring - you are purposely looking to lose (though I win as much as I can afford to as this helps maintain some respect in the ticket prices and club rating) - but for the most part, it has been a long slog.

I know the game is exciting -when you're challenging for competitions - especially the inter-league cups, it's extremely satisfying. But it'll be a few more seasons before I'm able to do that. So right now, it's boring - but that'll change.

Then why do it?

It's quite clear that HMFC is talking about Namutumba City here.

I agree with him entirely that it makes a mockery of the rating system and the game, yet it's not against the rules, it's just offensively annoying to the managers that are playing the game the way it's meant to be played- especially the ones that can't quite reach those key rating barriers because they're facing top-100 clubs in the League day in, day out.

Luckily for us it's entirely obvious which managers do this to their clubs, and they will never get any credit for any of their "achievements" because they're playing the game on easy mode.

Try not to worry about it, and focus on your own club- and if you ever get the chance to beat them, you get the added sense of satisfaction if you do.

I get the feeling that there is some consideration of relative ratings but haven't a clue whether that's actually true or what the relationship is.

What is silly is you get the same number of points for your position in the top division as in the bottom one.

Because ultimately it will be a cleaner version of a club starting over, with a slimmed down squad on low wages and a youth academy producing two to three players a season. And club rating points gained through promotions, a bigger stadium and additional cup revenue.

It's true, but I'm also not clear on how it works. For us, a win MAY award me 4 points, and sometimes I get one MR point too, so also one more CR point, so 5 in total.
BUT, I only get those points in certain matches, it seems to be against teams who are roughly top 100, or about half the teams in our division. But there are a few times when it doesn't work as expected. Im sure your experience is not the same.

Relative ratings also certainly impact what happens when I draw or lose. I drew yesterday against a team ranked 65 and lost 10 CR points / 2 MR points. There was a time when a draw was considered a good result.

One of these days I'll use all the time I waste on these forums to do a thorough analysis of how average player rating, club rating, and manager rating all work by tracking every single result over ~10 seasons and working out any patterns I see.

But it will not be this day...

Haha love it as always

I think I am in the perfect position to have a say on this

The game mechanics are wrong when teams in the bottom divisions get the same as the teams in the top divisions. Did Ron anticipate people taking advantage of this, probably not.

Have I exploited them, yes, is the game easier, yes. Why? Because I wanted to win QUICKER, plain and simple. When I came back to itsagoal, manager numbers were down, people talking about the game ending, Ron could pull the plug any minute etc So the quickest way I could get to the top was by getting relegated. If Ron had come out and said itsgoal would stay indefinitely, yes I would have done it differently.

Either way I would still make it to the top.

Firesilver what about the wages trick you take advantage of, is that OK?



Your not playing the game either how "it's meant to be played". What about all the clubs balancing their finances and missing out on players that want a high wage?

If people are wondering, it goes like this.

Offer 30% seasonal wage rise. That way you can offer a low wage, no appearance fee, and no signing on fee. When you get a message in your inbox about a wage increase just offer him the same contract as you did before and he will accept. If they want a shorter contract you will have to offer a little higher wage.

Also if anybody would like to go the same way I did. Just buy 4-5 low rating players from the transfer market around 9 and don't train them so their rating goes down. Always put one in goal and the others anywhere. Once you are in the bottom tier finish 4 every season until you are ready.

If anybody would like any help with the above just message me.

First of all, comparing these two is like apples and oranges. Throwing matches to deliberately lose is incomparably different to using a feature as it's intended to be used. They are called negotiations for a reason, you know. You're meant to, umm, negotiate.

Secondly, I'd bet my wage bill is higher than 95% of clubs in this game, so it's not exactly saving me oodles of cash, and I have 115M in the bank anyway so a saving of 1M a season on wages isn't exactly having a huge impact in the way your exploiting of the game has had an impact on your club rating.


You're not meant to explicitly share game information in the forum like this. Yet another game convention you are showing total disrespect for. At this point I'm not surprised, although I am still disappointed.

Thought you would come back with an answer like that. Its all OK because you're doing it. You know full well that feature is not intended to be used like that. Its exploiting the game but in a different way.

So this how you justify your actions, you do it because you can. Just because you can doesn't mean you have to. Also poor excuse as to why you do it. Says a lot about your character to me. Your not the first player to do this and sadly won't be the last. Maybe if you put in as much effort into building your team like the majority do rather than finding out and exploiting all the loopholes within the game then maybe you wouldn't have to do what you do in the first place.

Attacking my character now , come on this is just a game I haven't killed anyone

I am playing within the rules of the game, so that's all that matters.

Easy 6 points for me next season...

Cheating 6 points for you...

Haha, probably lose now I've said that

My boys will be trialling their new steel toe capped footy boots that day