| Quote: Originally posted by Firesilver So go on, fedyshen. Tell me how you knew I was fortune teller before I announced it. If you can persuade me on this one, I might let you off the hook.
If you can't... well, it's confirmation that we had a spy. And that it was AndyP. And that the recipient was fedyshen.
I don't think you guys need to vote me off first any more... right?
AndyP whispered to me on Day1 and told me you (FS) thought HanSo7o (1) and BS (3) were a pair (you did tell AndyP this correct?). How would an investigator have this information? Not that hard to deduct from that that you had to be the Fortune Teller (if not bluffing).
I think you are town, so it makes my defense hard. but at least the above is an answer to your query. | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by Firesilver
Bit of a shame you did this, as it just confirms what I said above. If you'd said you protected someone else (like BlueBoar), then it would have been much more believable when no night kill happened. The fact that a claimed Monk survived the night AND protected someone they were publicly told to protect successfully is beyond suspicious. Monks can't be allowed to live by a Demon and Demons don't go for kills on targets they think will be protected.
I was going for a Princess Bride double bluff. I said I would protect who the town told me to protect. And I did. Did it work, we don't know. | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by Firesilver
Inquiring about a repeat was too risky. I had to narrow it down to the point where I could be 100% certain of the other name. The only player in the game that I'm absolutely 100% certain is town is... well, me. So you're the red herring, or you're the Demon.
Agreed, comparing to yourself was smart. | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by FiresilverSadly for you, I happen to trust BlueBoar at this point, because of my Not Demon read. This is another reason to kill me today- to confirm BlueBoar to everyone else as another 100% town (assuming no poison). You can't even kill him at night now, because he'll pick you with his ability.
Wouldn't I have done this last night before there was immense heat on me and I had just survived the lynching by the town with only 2 votes up votes? If there was a Spy I would know he was Ravenkeeper (either was I knew he was due to out Whispers). | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by fedyshen AndyP whispered to me on Day1 and told me you (FS) thought HanSo7o (1) and BS (3) were a pair (you did tell AndyP this correct?). How would an investigator have this information? Not that hard to deduct from that that you had to be the Fortune Teller (if not bluffing).
I think you are town, so it makes my defense hard. but at least the above is an answer to your query.
You're good, fedyshen. I'm surprised I still haven't been able to make you crack. PS cracked much earlier than this.
The pairing of Han and Berry was down to the way they interacted on Day 1, but yes, I suppose it's possible that a town player without perfect information could think I had fortune told them on Night 1.
But I made it pretty clear that I only thought they were a pair. What's more, Fortune Tellers get told only when they hit the demon. They get nothing about minions at all. I would not assume that because I got a "Yes, one of them is the demon" result that both of them are evil. A good try, but this defence doesn't quite hold water. Really good effort though, well done. | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by fedyshen Wouldn't I have done this last night before there was immense heat on me and I had just survived the lynching by the town with only 2 votes up votes? If there was a Spy I would know he was Ravenkeeper (either was I knew he was due to out Whispers).
I'm sure this option was on your radar, but the play of solidifying your claim of Monk was probably more appealing. If I hadn't turned the spotlight on you today, I believe a fair amount of the town would have agreed that you must have blocked the kill, and you'd have your alibi.
You also knew that BlueBoar was Ravenkeeper from the whisper, and killing him would have given him a free guaranteed clear on me. He would have definitely chosen to look at my character given his suspicion of me earlier in the game and the fact that my information is so vital to confirm as real. By killing him, you'd have taken the heat off of me, which you didn't want. You were hoping I would be executed today and you could kill tonight, leaving 3 players left, one of whom would have been Super who has misclaimed his role when he bluffed, and the other would be Berry who I had a Demon read on. You, meanwhile, would be the valiant confirmed townie that saved FS from death overnight. You probably hoped I'd have been on your side from that point onwards as well.
No, I rather think you valued the alibi higher than the kill, especially with PS suspicious of your relationship with AndyP.
It's OK, fedyshen, you can come clean now. It's important to acknowledge when you're beaten, after all.  | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by FiresilverChaotic Good. 
Got it in one (well, after calling me all the evil names under the sun  )
I might well have missed it in, but fedyshen have you explained your vote for AndyP last night? Being the only person against the grain isn't suspicious on its own, but in context it certainly could be | |
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| Just to add to the suspicion, as it doesnt't actually prove anything: fedyshen mentioned in our whisper on day 2 that BB told him he wanted to whisper me. In our recent whisper, I asked BB if he mentioned to anyone that he wanted to whisper me, which he denied. Strange, eh? | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by Firesilver
Silly to waste your last vote on something that was never going to carry. You're out of the game. Almost as bad a play as chyper shooting PS. The town has done its best to lose this game, but evil made a mistake too.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong - I get a choice too lol.
Bad play? Again, it was a choice I made.
Was the decision to kill me on Day 1 correct too... I am seriously doubting it was, as it gained the twon nothing without verification. This is almost impossible within this game, so keeping a townie alive would be better than killing them.
Chyper shooting PS, is as valid as my execution IMO. One of us is drunk, so moving all three suspects would have been better - aligning them in a bar until someone can let them out one by one and stand by them. We have all played poorly.
Your role has continually spun most and all equations of what could and couldn't be... as I have said, I'll admire your role at the end if Demon. However, it has done little to help any of new, or unsure in terms of trusting you. I still don't lol...
Alas, I watch the finale... | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by Firesilver 2. JustSuper - claimed Saint
3. BerryStraw - not claimed
4. chyperhondriac - Gunslinger
5. BlueBoar - claimed Ravenskeeper
8. Firesilver - claimed Fortune Teller
9. fedyshen - claimed Monk
So we are just waiting for Berry's claim. If he is not claiming an outsider role, I think we trust Super's Saint claim.
I think Berry is the Mayor, but it's just a guess.
I would be very surprised if fedyshen is my red herring and Berry or Super is the real Demon, but I suppose it's possible.
I am almost convinced that I am not poisoned, now.
FS claiming BS is the Mayor....
Quote: Originally posted by fedyshen Yes he is... That is what he told me. I tried to wait for him to say he was on his own... but this is what he told me.
This does defend JustSuper though. As it would be him and the drunk as the Outsiders.
So its me, Firesilver, BB or BS as Demon.
Fedyshen confirmning BS is the Mayor...
I can confirm too that in the first chats with BS, he revealed to me he is the Mayor too. He kind of hinted at it, regarding a post relating to the advice of keeping him in the game until the latter stages. Both of you, if Demon, would know this... and would likely make BS a target for the Night phase after or including tonight.
Funny how you both knew this though | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by Firesilver I think you have exactly one thing to add, Berry- your role claim. Fedyshen has already outed you as the Mayor after I took a stab at guessing it. Confirmation from you will clear Super 100% as we don't have any other outsider claims.
For the record, fedyshen, if you had claimed recluse and killed someone last night, I'd would have been much less certain about going after you. I would have had a 50-50 between you and Super, and you might have been able to persuade me. My Demon result from tonight on you would also have made sense. This is the mistake you made I'm afraid- but it's a good learning experience, eh? I've learned plenty this game.
In that case my contingency would have been to get the GunSlinger to kill me. If im tricking you the demon still dies. If i am truly the Saint the town avoids a humiliating execution. | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by Firesilver1. HanSo7o - Librarian
2. JustSuper - Red Herring Saint
3. BerryStraw - Mayor (possibly Drunk)
4. chyperhondriac - Gunslinger
5. BlueBoar - Ravenskeeper
6. AndyP - claimed Investigator
7. pleasantsurprise - Empath (possibly drunk)
8. Firesilver - Fortune Teller, actually spy
9. fedyshen - claimed Monk, actually Imp
10. Euro - Undertaker
The only things I'm not sure on now are who was drunk (given that spy doesn't appear evil to the empath) and chyper's alignment, and if I had to make a guess, I'd say he was Chaotic Good.

There is a certain amount of doubt in my mind that the assumption I am making here is correct, but Firesilver seems to be giving things away now, such is his confidence in the muddy water he has left behind.
Such as saying that town have been killing town and that the spy doesn't appear evil to the empath. Sadly both these things are true and we have been rather dumb collectively.
In my opinion, if we vote Firesilver today, it will be a bad thing as he has quite clearly been leading us down the garden path with his long posts and his indecision in discussion. I think he is sacrificing himself to allow his boss the chance to win the game.
Does anyone else see this or am I wrong? | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by BlueBoar There is a certain amount of doubt in my mind that the assumption I am making here is correct, but Firesilver seems to be giving things away now, such is his confidence in the muddy water he has left behind.
Such as saying that town have been killing town and that the spy doesn't appear evil to the empath. Sadly both these things are true and we have been rather dumb collectively.
In my opinion, if we vote Firesilver today, it will be a bad thing as he has quite clearly been leading us down the garden path with his long posts and his indecision in discussion. I think he is sacrificing himself to allow his boss the chance to win the game.
Does anyone else see this or am I wrong?
I did consider FireSilver might be tricking us, but I would say it is a small chance of that actually being the case unless im getting it wrong. Maybe he is using my trust in him to manipulate me but I doubt it. If he has pulled it off then fair play to him i guess. | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by JustSuper I did consider FireSilver might be tricking us, but I would say it is a small chance of that actually being the case unless im getting it wrong. Maybe he is using my trust in him to manipulate me but I doubt it. If he has pulled it off then fair play to him i guess.
If FS is the spy, he would want... no, not want... NEED! to appear opposite to his boss, to ensure that if either are rumbled, they will be polar opposites.
Further, PS said that Fedyshen appeared to be coaching AndyP and this may have been deliberate by Fedyshen to get a townie killed and it worked... we all believed PS (I certainly did anyway) and he went to the block.
Firesilver nominating himself with the cover story that it will confirm me 100% good, is another clue to his intentions. I don't need to have town 100% confirm me and if I'm wrong on this, then i'm sorry and will get everything that's coming to me.
But I really do think that FS needs to die and is sacrificing himself for his boss... and the clearest clue he has given that he is bad, is he was sat next to PS, who was the empath and he knew PS wouldn't be able to detect him as bad. He actually said that!
Saying what he said is like leaving a calling card, to say I did this!
It's a middle finger to everyone playing (no offense FS)  | |
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| I'd like Firesilver to nominate Fedyshen, please.
Why?
Firesilver has thrown enough dirt at Fedyshen to want to nominate him, but he hasn't so far. Instead, he is throwing himself under a bus. Does anyone wonder why that is, or is it just me?
I have given some valid reasoning before this post, but I am still open to be corrected with something or anything I may be missing, such as...
If I am right, then either FS or fs is the boss, but could the boss actually be daring us to vote him off right now, or is he (more likely) trying to save his boss? | |
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| Can someone please nominate fedyshen then all vote for him so we can get this over with.
Don?t vote for FS for goodness sake. We don?t need this to go on for another night and day. | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by pleasantsurprise Can someone please nominate fedyshen then all vote for him so we can get this over with.
Don?t vote for FS for goodness sake. We don?t need this to go on for another night and day.
I'm with you. If we wait for FS to explain his "i'd like to nominate myself" instead of actually saying "I nominate myself" we could be here all day waiting...
You sniffed this out before I did. All I have done is join the dots to arrive at my conclusions. Do you want to do it, or shall I? I think you are more deserving of some glory for putting us on what appears to be the right path. | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by BlueBoar I'm with you. If we wait for FS to explain his "i'd like to nominate myself" instead of actually saying "I nominate myself" we could be here all day waiting...
You sniffed this out before I did. All I have done is join the dots to arrive at my conclusions. Do you want to do it, or shall I? I think you are more deserving of some glory for putting us on what appears to be the right path.
Unfortunately, I can?t nominate anyone BB | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by pleasantsurprise Unfortunately, I can?t nominate anyone BB
Oh bugger. Ok, i'll do it. | |
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| Quote: Originally posted by BlueBoar Oh bugger. Ok, i'll do it.
Good man.  | |
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