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PS, to clarify, I counted your AndyP vote before the Gunslinger acted so that vote counts and is NOT using your one last ghost vote.

Interesting, seems like you are trying to distance yourself away from me to make it look like we are not a demon and minion duo. I like the strategy

I was considering everyone's role claims while trying to get to sleep, and realised something.

TG has been deliberately clever in arranging the roles so we cannot possibily have perfect information about most things, but I don't think he saw this:

Let us assume that all the players that have claimed so far are telling the truth- Han is librarian, Andy is investigator, PS is empath.

Then let us assume that Berry is the minion in Andy's investigator read.

Now, Han has read that one of Berry or PS is drunk. If Berry is the minion, he can't be drunk. So PS must be drunk.

PS read that he has 0 evil players next to him. Therefore, he has at least one.

Therefore either I am evil (which I know I'm not) or Andy is evil. But our initial assumption was that Andy is good and telling the truth. So from my perspective, this is impossible.

From everyone else's perspective, the only possibility, if Andy is telling the truth and Berry is the minion, is that I'm the demon.

Therefore when I get shot by chyper tomorrow and the game doesn't end, we know that Berry is NOT the minion.

Therefore the two remaining possibilities are that Andy is lying, or that BlueBoar is the minion.

The ONLY chance this is not the case is if either Andy or Han was poisoned on Night 1.

So you see, chyper, the only way for me to be the minion, is if AndyP is lying (and therefore my demon) or if he was poisoned and the investigator. We would BOTH have to be lying. I think it's perfectly clear that this is not the case, as I'm actively pushing for Andy to be lynched today when I could just be keeping quiet about him and letting misinformation and distrust rule instead.

What the hell, chyper.

Explain yourself. NOW.

I think this makes me trust Firesilver even more. If he was the demon he could have easily turned on FedyShen for an easy Townie execution/Bad guys win. It may be the wrong Townie role but thats good enough as i dont want him executed (for the fear that he is the saint).

HOLY MOLY

Everyone is confident BerryStraw is TownFolk and i dont really understand why. Am i missing something?

Sure. PS gets a 'good' read on AndyP, who is very suspicious. PS could be drunk.

PS and Andy are in cahoots - we're one closer to victory, maybe even winning today

PS is drunk - no great loss

PS is the empath and Andy is a spy OR they're both good - well they can both still contribute and vote once. Only likely to be one more execution now so everyone is equal in terms of votes.

Over to you and your investigations FS

If we keep killing off town members to confirm who they are we will just lose the game.

You still going to shoot me tomorrow if I vote up the first nomination? Kill the two town roles that have claimed that are able to actively find evil players?

If you're good, you just lost the game for us. You could have at least consulted with the rest of the town before taking such a rash action.

And if you're evil... well, you can sod off.

Unlike you, I'm not going to act rashly. If I had, the vote to exile you would have already started.

PS, I know it's the weekend, but what do you think of this development?

There is a very, very real possibility this is the case, that BlueBoar is actually the minion, and if it is and we lynch Andy tonight now, we've killed 4 town roles and it's 3 vs 2 tomorrow, meaning we HAVE to get it right. If you shoot me tomorrow now we will just lose on the numbers game. Your safe shot was at me tomorrow and instead you shot the one player we actually mostly trust. WHY?

The more I read into this, you're either evil or you just wandered into the game half way through, lost it on a whim, and wander off again.

I'm not happy with you, chyper. I'm trying to remember the instruction to just have fun, but it's not easy.

OK, time to calm down and think logically.

The game didn't end, so PS isn't the Demon.

Do you think you just shot the minion then, Chyper? Or do you think you've killed a townie?

Oh lord, what a mess.

Sorry about those last posts yesterday late, lads.

FS's headaches are getting contagious with that amount of words and theories he's firing around wildly. I'm starting to wish this was an old fashioned mafia game where you could silence someone for good. This time we'll be presented this stuff even post mortem, I guess.

So. Do we go ahead with Andy's execution? Or should we take out FS first? Only a few votes left and I should check if I should vote now, so don't know if it's possible.

He's just killed an outsider (albeit drunk - but even knowing that could still be useful, but not anymore)

My feeling is:

Andy is the minion - probable poisoner's which explains your mixed results FS.

Fedyshen is the Demon. He practically told Andy what to say when Andy was under pressure to reveal his results.

Still not going to claim, Berry? Are you going to only reveal after the game is over, when it's too late?

I've got good news for you- you won't have to listen to my ramblings any more soon. I'm going away tomorrow at lunchtime and will probably have no signal on my phone. I'm getting all my information in right now. You might wish I was back when it comes to the crunch. I don't think I'm going to be here when we have the final vote that decides the game.

How confident do you feel about this?

I'd be confident that Andy was lying about his claim if it weren't for exactly one thing: he told me early on Day 1 not to trust BlueBoar. He hasn't just come up with this claim on the spot: there is some consistency there.

He could of course have just been trying to sow early distrust between two town players, but it's nagging at me that he didn't and we're all being played by BlueBoar...

...who still hasn't claimed and has somehow got away with it despite being named by another player as the minion.

It is possible that you were the true empath, PS. If so, Berry's drunk, two town players are under suspicion, and we're down to 4 players tomorrow if we lynch and miss today. How can you be certain that you're an outsider please? I'm working through the logic and I can't work out how you're so sure.

Too many people to quote when I'm on mobile but - I thought I had a fair chance of getting the minion, or even the demon. Evidently I didn't get the demon but maybe I've got the minion.

As for consulting - in a real life game there wouldn't be the opportunity to consult. The gunslinger is supposed to be flash, act with panache...and yes, be rash.

If my action causes us to lose then I apologise. I don't think it would be the sole cause though.

Well which one is it, Berry? Do you want me to be verbose or not?

I knew it was a mistake to sign up to mafia games. I always have fun for a while and then realise that I suck at the game and I've just hurt my own team. I won't be making this mistake again.

I will now check this thread only to vote (if I'm able to get phone signal). We're going to lose anyway, and it's depressing with how much time I sank in to the game. I play games to win, and I'm a bad loser. It's a character flaw, I know.

Can't wait to see everyone's faces when I flip town, though. PS is the only one who actually seems to believe me.

Yep. To me it's kind of the same. The game tends to keep your head occupied 24/7 while it's running. Now, after hitting the bottle a little too hard yesterday and while currently building a large Lego project with my son (80113, if you want to know), trying to read up and make sense of everything just becomes tiresome at some point. Not that I haven't enjoyed it over the last few days. And I'll finish what I've started, for sure.