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Haha, my quote that PS was acting like Sadiq Khan.

If anyone could play mayor, it is PS. Yes, I believe it could be in play and my inference to it is not coincidental. I have never really had much doubt about PS being a sound townie. His early silence (lack of contribution) was fully explained and realised, he has been considered and thorough in his analysis and whilst he is visibly irked about investigor-gate, I think he is a solid townie, but I have been wrong before.

I trust Firesilver. With all this effort, attention to detail, and complex game plan it would be a very bold demon play and I just cant imagine anyone having the balls to pull something like that off. Plus everything he is coming up with is plausible such as pretending to be an Investigator so the demon doesnt try to kill him for being a Fortune Teller.

Okay, last post tonight. Probably.



I might be a bad gunslinger but I'm not an evil one you would have to take my word for it but, with two probable good players gone making it 5 v 2+1 seems too far on evil's side


Excuse the denseness but I don't get this...only two evil players, right?

And a final open question - who else is going to get nominated, and how long do we have to decide? Anyone else going to throw someone onto the block?

Care to explain why me and Firesilver are evil?

Ah yes, if it isnt my old nemesis trying to take me out again

Recently a lot of people have been attacking me and Firesilver, and i dont even understand why you guys are coming for us. Can i hear a solid reason as to why we are evil?

Well, I'm an hour ahead of most of you and I'm approaching midnight on this Saturday night. If I'm not the drunk right now, then I'm the tipsy. Tomorrow morning I'll have regrets, but right now I'm very confident about 2/3rd of this accusation.

Yeah that is what confused me, i thought theres only 2 evil people (although maybe 3 on the odd chance TG2 wanted to throw us off with an evil GunSlinger but that would mean he would have to include cyhper in his joke)?

But why though?

Yeah, I'm not buying your claim here. You waiting far too long to come up with this trumped up nonsense, especially after Firesilver pretty much said he was this role.

I'm not concerned about the inference to minion in my case. I will take whatever town decide as being their will.

Answered.

I think he means the other outsieder (other than the Drunk)

Highly doubtful there are two Monks. You made a false claim about the role used on your first night too. Everything regarding your play is off...

FS, well, it would be a cool way to play evil if he is... right in our faces. Hats off if so..

Not trying to muddy the waters here, but you have said many times that if it isn't written, it wasn't said, (in reference to the FS claim) but then you say the above even though it is not written, just presumed based on you knowing someone.

I think you are kind of at odds with yourself there PS.

Just my observation, that's all.

I'm not buying it either.

Andy didn't (couldn't/wouldn't?) answer the question about his results but did so after fedyshen's long post.

Is it just me or did anyone else get the impression that fedyshen was practically telling Andy what to say?

The difference, BB, is that what's said in the Game thread should be backed up by quotes.

What TG puts into his intros/ character role descriptions are open to interpretaion.

For clarity, the rules of this game are meant to be as clear as possible, they're not meant to be open to interpretation. It's a complex game so every situation can't be covered specifically but the rules are fixed and the storyteller must abide by them.

If someone is the drunk, then the ability they think they have, isn't actually their role. The storyteller will pretend that person is the role they think they are, to maintain the illusion.

Similarly if someone is poisoned, they essentially have no role so the same approach applies.

Most of the time, someone who is drunk or poisoned and has an information role, will get false information because the point of being drunk or poisoned is to hurt that player's team. However, sometimes the truth can hurt the team more than a lie, particularly if it helps confuse whether the player is actually droisoned or not. So the storyteller will sometimes tell a droisoned player true information if they think that's what is best for the game. This is a storyteller choice but is within the rule that says the will often/usually get false info, but not always.

In practice, this means players get info that will look like it could be true, whether it is or not, so a player that should get a number, will get a number. A drunk empath, in theory at least, could get told "horse" instead of a number but they'd instantly know they were drunk so it would seldom happen. Thus, a drunk empath would likely learn either 0, 1, or 2 since those are the only valid numbers for a sober empath to get.

Only one of those numbers is the truth, the other two are false, so if I were giving also info to a drunk empath I'd pick either of the numbers that aren't the truth.


Why have a laboured in such a long way on a small point? Because it's super important that you all are happy you know the rules, we don't want the game decided because someone misunderstood the rules. There are enough puzzles to solve without the rules being another one!

If you see any situations where you're not sure on how the rules work then I beg you to ask me, either publicly or privately. Thanks!

Christ! I'll have to re-read that in the mornning!

Apologies for you having to do that TG2.

It wasn't a poke at you. I just didn't understand how a false statememt could lead to a true and false result, hence my question.

I wasn't offended BB, just really passionate about making sure people know how the rules work and what is or isn't possible.

Believe it or not, these are the simplest character roles available in clocktower, there are well over 200 in all, so the principles established when playing with these characters are crucial to understanding the more complex characters we might use if people get into playing this game.

I had quite a good feeling about Fedyshen, but since you have voted for him to go to the block, do you think - him or put AndyP to the sword?

I think out of the two AndyP needs to go personally. Delaying his claim when he should have posted a counterclaim against FS is the work of evil. But again, I don't think FS has been saintly at all. I haven't voted yet, but will need to get that done when I wake up I feel as I am travelling tomorrow and may miss the cut off otherwise.