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No, technically the votes run one at a time, I'm just running them in semi-parallel to help speed things up.

On which note, can I ask that everyone votes at their earliest convenience, at least on the current live vote (i.e the one where countdown is in progress). The intention here is that you vote as soon as you're online after the vote timer starts rather than to hold up the whole game for additional discussion in the middle of a vote - you wouldn't have the option in a live in-person game so please don't here or I'll have to bring in additional rules.

The 24 hour time limit on votes is to make sure everyone has a chance to be online to vote, not to give time for a bunch more conversations. In person a vote would last maybe 15 seconds so there would be very limited discussion time.

Since this day phase has already been quite long, I'm going to be locking the game thread at 6.15pm while we finish up the remaining nomination votes. Depending how it goes I might do the same for future day phases too.

I have placed my votes in the nominations thread and have no intention at this point to change them unless something really dramatic changes everything.

I will be working a shift tonight, so when the BerryStraw voting concludes, I will be unable to get online.

I have taken onboard Firesilver's comments, which appear to be both concise and meaningful, but in my opinion he omitted one very important detail when commenting on the voting for BerryStraw, which was at the time... nobody else had been put forward and the rules for guidance suggests that the town ahould pro-actively aim to send someone to the block. We're just following the guidance which may be right or wrong.

Firesilver also actively encourages BerryStraw to reveal his role, but BerryStraw is reluctant and maybe with very good reason. Looking ahead, I think we have to make some very tough choices for the remainder of this day phase.

A lot going one it seems.

To me it is clear we need lynch either Hanso or Berry, to verify what is actually going on. Chance we catch a drunk, which will only be detrimental to the town effort. I am surprised that Berry is still not willing to reveal his role, when all signs point to him being lynched, but maybe he has a reason for this.

As for JustSuper - I don't think he is the right lynch for today, as frustrating as his low level of participation is.

What I really do not want to happen is we end up on a tie vote, nobody gets lynched and we learn nothing.

Hadn't actually considered voting in this way, makes sense and will adjust my voting accordingly.

I will hold off voting for Hans and Super until it's my turn as I am late in the vote for both and I really want to avoid a tie. @TG assume it is OK to hold off voting but then vote at earliest opportunity once the turn gets around to me?

Yes, that's fine Euro.

Genuine question here - I notice PS has changed his vote for BerryStraw in the nominations thread.

For now I am not analysing this change of vote, just purely the mechanics of how the voting works. My understanding is he cannot change this vote as the vote has already captured his vote and moved past him, please can you confirm if this is correct please TG?

Now PS, based on your last statement please can you explain why you have changed your vote on BS when you have stated previously very clear reasoning why you believe him to be the correct lynch

The best way to understand how voting works is to picture the circle you're all sat in, with me in the centre, holding my arm out like the hand of a clock. Once the voting starts I sweep my arm around the circle and count each hand that's up as my hand points at them.

In the forum version, if no vote has been indicated by a person I'm pointing at then I pause until there is one or the 24 hour timer expires. If the timer expires then I skip that player and count the rest of the votes already placed (skipping anyone else who's not voted also). Once the person has a vote registered my hand sweeps around to the next person and so on until we get to the last voter.

So in this specific example, BlueBoar was the first voter as he's clockwise from BerryStraw (Chyper doesn't count yet as he's not yet in the game), as soon as BlueBoar voted I check whether AndyP was voting, he hadn't voted yet so I paused on him until he did. PS voted in the meantime so as soon as AndyP voted I then get to PS and find his vote already cast so I counted it immediately and then move on to FS where we still are.

Everyone from FS round to BerryStraw can still change vote because I haven't got to them yet but BB, AndyP and PS have already had their votes tallied so PS' vote change won't count.


Hope that helps everyone understand For future votes I won't clarify which votes counted or didn't count, I'll just announce the total and you guys will need to work it out. It gives some agency for people to try and cause confusion or fake a mistake etc if they choose to but I think for the first vote it's reasonable to make sure it's clear. Vote shenanigans are definitely part of the game

To further clarify... whilst the vote counting is happening on BerryStraw, no votes on other nominations are being officially counted so everyone can still change vote indications on the other nominations.

Thank you for these explanations TG2.

I have always tried to stick with my gut, so at least now, with my vote cast in stone on BerryStraw, I can focus.

In respect of PS (attempted) changed vote, I feel there is a lot to discover about him. He seems to be silently pulling strings in the background and doing as little as possible in the game forum. Although this could be seen as a classic evil play, there is something stopping me from committing to that ethos.

In my opinion, Firesilver whilst being highly vocal, is appearing a little suss with his posts. Obviously real life issues result in the long posts, but I feel that there is a certain amount of indecision with him.

The odds of them both being on the same side either good or evil, is in my mind quite low. There is a chance that PS is an outsider of course, hence my earlier reticence, whereas FS at this stage, appears more evil than good. Probably not demon though.

The nominations for HanSo7o and JustSuper will be interesting. Can we gain info from it? I'm not so sure on JS but maybe HanSo7o we can. We'll see...

Oh, sorry, TG. I didn't realise that. I'll get my vote in on time ASAP from now on. Didn't mean to cause trouble, sorry.

Whilst I will willingly due for the town in the nominations, I would like to again underline some of the things that pass through my mind, should I not be the Drunk.

Berrystraw and Pleasantsurprise should, if evil, be wanting to know if I am the drunk first and foremost. If I'm for the kill and not, then they are surely in the eyes of everyone. A failure to hang one or both the following day means the townfolk are off the path logically. Both may be overkill and unnecessary, especially if the Drunk is found through one kill.

Any info then gained, and discovered from then should be invaluable unless it is muddied and twisted in ways the evil side will try.

Doubt I'll be able to make any further posts before 6.16..

FS, please can you explain rationale behind having hand down for Berry?

Here is my observed count for BerryStraw nomination with some other info that may be useful to refer to down the line:

6 hands up, 3 hands down
Hanso - Down
?JustSuper - Up
?Berry - Down
BB - Up
?AndyP - Up
?PS - Up (*note tried to change to down after vote had already been counted)
?FS - Down
?Fedy - Up
?Euro -Up

Here is the order of votes (all votes refer to Berry only)
Nominated by Euro
Berry votes down
Euro votes up
BB votes up
Hanso votes down
PS votes up
*Berry nominates Super*
AndyP votes up
Fedy votes up
JustSuper votes up
*Fedy nominates Hanso*
PS tries to change vote to down, doesn't count
FS votes down

Apologies for ? before some names above, do not mean anything, just bad copy and pasting

I have done so an length in my long post. I have a gut feeling we're being played here. Berry hasn't helped his own cause at all in the way that he's played the game, but everyone jumped on his nomination so fast that I feel like 2 of the 6 votes on him are the evil team. This feeling comes from having played a LOT of Among Us with friends during the Covid lockdown. Whenever there are too many votes on a player, you should worry.

If Berry is evil, then we've probably already won. If he's evil, it's very likely his teammate is Han. If Berry is executed and the undertaker sees that he's flipped evil but the game doesn't end, he was the minion, Han is the demon, Han dies tomorrow and then the game is over with a town win. Easy.

But if Berry is not evil, then the only benefit of me voting for him is to get rid of a potential drunk, and we're down a town player.

The fact that no other town member realises this confuses me. Whenever something is too convenient or easy in a mafia game, you are often being misled.

If I'm wrong, I'm happy for everyone to laugh at me afterwards as the only player to be fooled by Han and Berry. If I'm right, though...

And if I'm right, Han is the better lynch today. If he flips evil we vote Berry tomorrow, job done, same result. If he flips town, Berry's defence has a lot more credibility. There's at least a 50-50 chance he's the drunk if we know Han was telling the truth, and we don't have to waste 2 lynches on finding this out.

Han is willing to die for the town as well. It just makes sense.

JustSuper votes so far (in order of when they count) - vote stands at 1 with 4 left to vote?
Berry -
BB - Down
AndyP - Down
PS - Down
FS - Up
Fedy - Down (initially voted up)
Euro -
Hanso -
JustSuper -?


?Hanso votes so far (in order of when they count) - vote stands at 4 with 4 left to vote

JustSuper -
Berry -
BB - Up
AndyP - Down
PS - Up
FS - Up
Fedy - Up
Euro -
Hanso -

More question marks that mean nothing above

I think the time is also right to reveal some information of my own. It's probably too late to change the trajectory of today's lynch, so this is mainly for people to think about overnight while the thread is locked and to kick start the Day 2 discussion.

On night 1 I was given information that one of two player names could be a minion.

I say could deliberately. It would be very much like TG to set up a game with a recluse and give that name to an investigative role. Recluse is the role I was fishing for earlier, but still no-one has come forward and said so. I could also still be drunk if Han is lying about Berry and PS. I'm not going to reveal right now whether there's a poisoner in the game, for reasons that will eventually become crystal clear, but I could also be poisoned.

It might be reasonably obvious to anyone willing to do a little digging through the thread during the downtime of the night phase what the two names are, and I'm not going to confirm them quite yet, because there is value in making people that I've put pressure on sweat, and maybe make a mistake. I may have blown this to an extent earlier today, but such is life. Obviously I will reveal more if and when I get killed and everyoone will know my information is honest. I shall rest easy tonight, lying outside in the crisp open air of our beautiful town and watching the stars with a smile on my face, knowing that the evil team is suddenly panicking.

One other thing: if we have an empath in play, I would absolutely love to whisper with you tomorrow, please. Don't rush into it, and if someone with a role that wants to be killed by the Demon (like the Saint for example) could bluff whisper me to muddy the waters for the evil team too, that would be great.

I've never played a town role where I've been able to make the evil team squirm before. They are usually the ones with the information. This game is great!

BlueBoar, I need to whisper to you first thing tomorrow, before you comment on anything I have just shared, please. Regardless of your alignment, you will enjoy what I have to say to you.

This is very interesting and lots of if, buts and maybes (or coulds) - will you reveal the names of the players you were given (maybe not today but at some point tomorrow)?